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- Withdrawn. -- CptViraj (talk) 06:41, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
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Scheduled to end: 00:00, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
Hello I am Kadı. I am an administrator in Commons. Also, I serve as a VRT personnel and global renamer. Sometimes users request oversight actions from me. 3 days ago, I changed visibility of edits on a file because of the uploader's request and I forwarded it to the oversighters but there is no action. I request to be an oversighter, to handle this requests and suppress the edits. Kind regards, --Kadı Message 18:52, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for all of the voters. I am withdrawing my request. I live in Istanbul, therefore I do not have a chance to change my country. After finishing my university in Türkiye, I am planning to move to the US. Maybe, I can request OS access on those days.
- Kind regards, Kadı Message 19:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Votes
[edit]- Support We have a need, and I trust the candidate. Concerns about future actions of governments is en:WP:Crystal. Hopefully my country doesn't chose the candidate that admires autocrats like Xi and Putin. Abzeronow (talk) 17:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Nothing against the candidate in person, but per below there appears to be no strong need, and creating a mountain out of a single example appears like an attitude to me. In general, especially Commons should have as few oversighters as possible as they perhaps not only address privacy issues like other wikis but also images with unlawful content. I would prefer to have this in few hands, and the most trusted ones. --Krd 17:49, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Rather Support. Having a 4th oversighter would be a benefit rather than a disadvantage. Yann (talk) 09:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support There are only 3 oversighters currently, only 2 of which are regularly active on this wiki, and I recognize none of their names from my general course of editing. I would like to see a name I recognize added to this group, and Kadı fits perfectly for that criterion. I also trust this candidate to do the right things with the tools. Clay (talk) 10:03, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support. It's good to hear that there isn't a backlog and it's just that oversighters place a lower priority where the material already has limited visibility but oversight requests are often time-sensitive so having an extra member of the team could be beneficial. If the WMF hasn't expressed concern with having oversighters from Turkey, I don't think it's for the community to disallow it. If we have a trusted and experienced admin offering to volunteer, I think we should take the offer. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:24, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support no concerns --TenWhile6 12:19, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per HJ Mitchell. Regards, Aafi (talk) 14:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per a number of the above Herby talk thyme 14:55, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support per Yann and Abzeronow. All the Best -- Chuck Talk 16:57, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
{{Oppose}} modern_primat ඞඞඞ ----TALK 18:05, 29 October 2024 (UTC)- aslında bunun denetçi başvurusu olduğunu düşünmüştüm. alelacele karşı verdim. ama değilmiş.
- ben kadı'nın kişisel bilgileri gizleyeceğini gayet iyi biliyorum. ancak https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/Kad%C4%B1 buradan da gözükeceği üzere sekiz(8, !) tane vikide yetkisi bulunuyor. bu kadar çok yetkiye sahip olmak ilgili vikilere zaman ayırmak için sorun olur diye düşünüyorum. mecbur olarak birinden alırken birinden götürmek zorunda kalacaksın. bundan dolayı karşı. modern_primat ඞඞඞ ----TALK 19:01, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Modern primat, görüşün için teşekkürler. Türkçe yazmışsın Türkçe cevap vereyim ben de. Halihazırda birçok vikide birçok yetkisi olan kullanıcılar bulunuyor. Birinden alıp birinden götürmek zorunda kalmayacağım merak etme :) "ben kadı'nın kişisel bilgileri gizleyeceğini gayet iyi biliyorum." bu bilinçte olmana sevindim, olumsuz görüşünün dayanağı zaman ayıramayacağım ise ayıracağımı taahhüt ettiğimi bilmeni isterim. İyi vikiler diliyorum. Kadı Message 19:11, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Not convinced especially with the response to Krd and my additional safety concerns. GPSLeo (talk) 18:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- @GPSLeo, thank you for your vote. If I become elected, I will prove my guarantee of safety with my actions. My aim is to serve for community. Best wishes from Istanbul! Kadı Message 18:16, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Just to make sure that this is not a misunderstanding: I do not accuse you to work for an intelligence agency I just fear that you could be deported to jail for not collaborating with the intelligence agency. This is primarily about your personal safety. GPSLeo (talk) 18:22, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- @GPSLeo, I am also in VRT. Sometimes, Turkish court decisions are forwarded to info-tr. I forwarded them to WMF Legal Department. I am personally safe. Thank you for thinking of me. Kadı Message 18:25, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Just to make sure that this is not a misunderstanding: I do not accuse you to work for an intelligence agency I just fear that you could be deported to jail for not collaborating with the intelligence agency. This is primarily about your personal safety. GPSLeo (talk) 18:22, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- @GPSLeo, thank you for your vote. If I become elected, I will prove my guarantee of safety with my actions. My aim is to serve for community. Best wishes from Istanbul! Kadı Message 18:16, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support I trust Kadı's judgment and experience, an additional active oversighter would be beneficial. Iwaqarhashmi (talk) 19:53, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I am concerned about the user's understanding of the RevisionDelete functionality (as mentioned by Abzeronow in the comments section below). I worry that this will negatively impact their ability to suppress very sensitive content that is routinely raised to oversighters. odder (talk) 23:46, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral --Ameisenigel (talk) 16:24, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support I trust him. Jianhui67 T★C 16:30, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support Three oversighters is too few. I would trust Kadı Andy Dingley (talk) 16:58, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support trustworthy. --MZaplotnik(talk) 20:15, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support nothing wrong with having another oversighter. —Matrix(!) ping onewhen replying {user - talk? -
uselesscontributions} 20:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC) - Support -Fastily 01:03, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Only one of the three existing oversighters has voted thus far and they oppose. For something like this, I give a lot of weight to the people already doing the work, so at least until the others weigh in, I'm landing here. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 02:03, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support --Adamant1 (talk) 05:05, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per GPSLeo —Mateus2019 (talk) 17:26, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. no confidence.--RoyZuo (talk) 12:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support NGL the oppose votes don't seem particularly convincing – having a 4th oversighter could come in immensely handy the times we least expect it. --SHB2000 (talk) 07:09, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support trusted user.--Turkmen talk 13:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support a wiki this big should have more than 3 oversighters and I am not convinced by the opposition. Queen of Hearts (talk) 07:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per GPSLeo --Robert Flogaus-Faust (talk) 12:35, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Robert Flogaus-Faust and @Mateus2019: Thank you for voting. I would want to clarify something. I live in Istanbul, it is correct but I would like to emphasize that I am a VRT member, frequently Turkish court decisions are forwarded to info-tr. I know the process and a year have passed, there is no juristic issue/legal problems occurred to myself in Turkey. Kind regards, Kadı Message 12:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Odder, one of the three Oversighters, opposes. The existing Oversighters edit on a daily basis, so the one example given in the request above probably is not as simple as the requester says. The requester is not very active -- 49th on the recent actions list, with only 47 edits in the last 30 days, and 169th on the all time list. If we really need another Oversighter -- which is unproven -- I would like to see someone with considerably more experience here. . Jim . . . (Jameslwoodward) (talk to me) 14:18, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support Trustworthy candidate. --A1Cafel (talk) 06:52, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support Trusted user, no concerns. Gadir (talk) 07:18, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose Sorry, I find Jim's articulation convincing. * Pppery * it has begun... 06:04, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - not needed. We should not have more OS than we really, really need. -- Marcus Cyron (talk) 12:15, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support -- Mohammed Qays 🗣 11:36, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - as per Odder's reasoning in the comments. -- Gürbetaler (talk) 15:47, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Odder
and special:diff/953475842. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 01:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)- How do you mean that? Announcing on VP isn't canvassing, if that's your point --A.Savin 08:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- @A.Savin: It is in poor form. I also had little confidence concerning Commons:Oversighters/Requests/Kadı. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 17:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Jeff G., Poor form? What do you mean? Kadı Message 17:09, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Kadı Unduly influencing potential voters. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 17:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Jeff G., did you read @A.Savin's comment? You are an experienced editor, I am expecting that you are aware of announcing in a neutral way is not canvassing. Your rationale about odder's comment is valid but which are about village pump is not. Kind regards, Kadı Message 17:28, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with A. Savin, his neutrally worded announcement was not canvassing. Potential voters can also read Odder's comment (which was also partially based on my comment below) and the previous request as well as any other of the comments made here. Abzeronow (talk) 22:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Fine, I struck out that part of the reason. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 14:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think such announcements should be mandatory. It doesn't really matter if it's neurally worded of not, candidates generally don't want people to vote against themselves.
∞∞ Enhancing999 (talk) 08:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- I think such announcements should be mandatory. It doesn't really matter if it's neurally worded of not, candidates generally don't want people to vote against themselves.
- Fine, I struck out that part of the reason. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 14:37, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Kadı Unduly influencing potential voters. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 17:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Jeff G., Poor form? What do you mean? Kadı Message 17:09, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- @A.Savin: It is in poor form. I also had little confidence concerning Commons:Oversighters/Requests/Kadı. — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 17:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- How do you mean that? Announcing on VP isn't canvassing, if that's your point --A.Savin 08:20, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- Neutral I think we can easily have 3 or 4 active users with oversight rights. One of the current three doesn't strike me as generally active (even if they do OS work). I don't know the candidate sufficiently well to support or oppose.
∞∞ Enhancing999 (talk) 14:26, 7 November 2024 (UTC) - Oppose Nothing against the user or his country, but such rights in counties with existent regimes like we currently have in Russia, Turkey, North Korea is a big risk for the community or the user itself. Thank you. Regards, Oleg (talk) 02:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose I remember 4nn1l2. The user worked for years well, I have no complaint about his work, he was administrator, translation administrator and interface administrator and still he got banned. I like how do you work in Commons and still I somehow feel, that maybe you are Turkish government agent. Almost surely at least one of tr.wiki oversighters is. Sorry, but I cannot support you, until Turkey will become more democratic country. Taivo (talk) 13:19, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Taivo, I am a student at Istanbul University. You can guess my age also. Also, I graduated from American Collegiate Institute. Is it really possible? I withdrawed my request because of your comment by the way, "I somehow feel, that maybe you are Turkish government agent." became very surprised and sad because of this comment. Anyway, I do not want to write much as I do not want to take anyone's time more. Sincerely, Kadı Message 19:08, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Doğu, @Elmacenderesi, @Taysin and @Eldarion: "Almost surely at least one of tr.wiki oversighters is." Are you working for Turkish government? Please answer this because the Taivo's claims are significant. Kadı Message 19:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Taivo, I am a student at Istanbul University. You can guess my age also. Also, I graduated from American Collegiate Institute. Is it really possible? I withdrawed my request because of your comment by the way, "I somehow feel, that maybe you are Turkish government agent." became very surprised and sad because of this comment. Anyway, I do not want to write much as I do not want to take anyone's time more. Sincerely, Kadı Message 19:08, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Taivo You need to prove this claim. If you don't prove it, I will file a complaint against you on Meta. --Elmacenderesi (talk) 19:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- nothing will happen. modern_primat ඞඞඞ ----TALK 22:45, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Taivo You need to prove this claim. If you don't prove it, I will file a complaint against you on Meta. --Elmacenderesi (talk) 19:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
Comments
[edit]- There definitely is a need for another oversighter. I'm not sure if unwanted location data (which is still present in the metadata, file should be overwritten with changed EXIF to purge the unwanted data) merits oversighting rather than hiding it from non-sysops but maybe others can convince me that it's appropriate. Abzeronow (talk) 19:18, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- And now the issue was dealt with. Abzeronow (talk) 17:32, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Like in your last request, I think the community would like to hear how many requests for OS you made in the last 12 months, and how many of them lead to actual oversight. Feel free to add how long it took to have the OS requests processed. (The last 2 or 3 requests I made were processed within few hours, so I don't actually see any problem.) --Krd 07:46, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Krd, hello. Thanks for your question. Oversight actions are very important which includes users' privacy, and personal datas. I do not remember the number of my requests but 4 days ago I evaluated a request then forwarded to OS mails. 4 days passed, no answer. The request is so basic, it may take approximately 5 minutes. In addition, I do not indicate directly here the requested files for protecting the user's privacy.
- All of us are volunteers here, I do not blame anyone. Commons is a very large project, for example in trwiki we have 4 oversighters, Commons is a very enormous project than trwiki definitely, but in Commons we have only 3. This is definitely not adequate for Commons. I am volunteering here to handle oversight requests faster. In my previous request, you can see this link A steward self assigned OS access to themself in order to handle and emergency action. Kind regards, Kadı Message 09:16, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- An emergency is no relevant example. Also, two Commons OS have edited today. Can we rule out that there is just some communication problem? Krd 13:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Krd, I disagree with you. It is a relevant example. Large wikis should use local OS' We are not a small wiki. Kadı Message 15:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Even with more local OS, let it be 10, you will have situations where no one is present for an emergency situation. Volunteers are generally not required to meet emergency situation standard, so and emergency example IMHO is moot. Krd 17:42, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Krd, I disagree with you. It is a relevant example. Large wikis should use local OS' We are not a small wiki. Kadı Message 15:52, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Minorax, Odder, and Raymond: Can you comment if you received the request, and if there is any relevant backlog? --Krd 13:58, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Krd: I can confirm we did receive the request. There is no backlog, but we place lower priority on requests where content has already been revision deleted by an administrator as opposed to content that's visible on the wiki. I had limited access to e-mail throughout last week but I will action the request shortly. I do have to say that this whole discussion is striking me as quite strange where a user is requesting advanced permissions because one (one!) request they filed hasn't been answered to their satisfaction. As demonstrated in our activity statistics, we get a fairly steady number of requests every month and nearly all of them are answered a in a prompt manner as a few of our more active contributors can attest to. odder (talk) 16:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Odder, as I said before I do not blame anyone. I am a very active user among the Wikimedia projects. My aim is to help oversighters. Best wishes, Kadı Message 16:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- As someone who has sent a fair deal of oversight requests, I can confirm that 95% of the time, I get a 0-2 hr Response. I don't see any downsides with another oversighter. Normally the overnighters are very active, but I have had reports that took more than 24 hrs (IMHO the max time an oversight request can take), and another OS would be helpful, especially with @Kadı's timezone and editing patterns. As to @GPSLeo's concerns, WMF Legal will make the call as to if being in turkey is a problem, that's not our job. All the Best -- Chuck Talk 16:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- On my concerns: I just think we need to be more careful with such problems. For the other topic: For real emergencies there is the WMF T&S team and emergency cases do not have to be handled by volunteers. And it is always possible to contact a regular admin in parallel to perform a regular deletion before the suppression by an oversighter. GPSLeo (talk) 18:17, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- As someone who has sent a fair deal of oversight requests, I can confirm that 95% of the time, I get a 0-2 hr Response. I don't see any downsides with another oversighter. Normally the overnighters are very active, but I have had reports that took more than 24 hrs (IMHO the max time an oversight request can take), and another OS would be helpful, especially with @Kadı's timezone and editing patterns. As to @GPSLeo's concerns, WMF Legal will make the call as to if being in turkey is a problem, that's not our job. All the Best -- Chuck Talk 16:56, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Odder, as I said before I do not blame anyone. I am a very active user among the Wikimedia projects. My aim is to help oversighters. Best wishes, Kadı Message 16:36, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Krd: I can confirm we did receive the request. There is no backlog, but we place lower priority on requests where content has already been revision deleted by an administrator as opposed to content that's visible on the wiki. I had limited access to e-mail throughout last week but I will action the request shortly. I do have to say that this whole discussion is striking me as quite strange where a user is requesting advanced permissions because one (one!) request they filed hasn't been answered to their satisfaction. As demonstrated in our activity statistics, we get a fairly steady number of requests every month and nearly all of them are answered a in a prompt manner as a few of our more active contributors can attest to. odder (talk) 16:20, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- An emergency is no relevant example. Also, two Commons OS have edited today. Can we rule out that there is just some communication problem? Krd 13:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- You live in country that blocked Wikipedia in the past and the situation regarding democracy did not become better since then. I have the fear that giving you access to such sensitive information you bring you and the project into danger as authorities could try to force you to give information to them. GPSLeo (talk) 16:18, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @GPSLeo, In trwiki we have OS user group. All of the trwiki oversighters do not gave information to anyone. Your fear is irrelevant. Kadı Message 16:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- There were multiple of such cases in other countries where the WMF had to ban the users to protect them. GPSLeo (talk) 16:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @GPSLeo, I am also in VRT. I guarantee that I would never do that. Kadı Message 16:57, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- There were multiple of such cases in other countries where the WMF had to ban the users to protect them. GPSLeo (talk) 16:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @GPSLeo, In trwiki we have OS user group. All of the trwiki oversighters do not gave information to anyone. Your fear is irrelevant. Kadı Message 16:34, 28 October 2024 (UTC)