HarJIT
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In regards to the Kana Development Chart-file.
editThe Kana Development Chart doesn't include a hiragana-version of wu. I assume that you did not know of the existence of such a character (and it is certainly obscure), but apparently it does exist. I would appreciate it if you added to the chart.--213.113.126.135 10:53, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- I wasn't including it mostly because I found that it doesn't consistently appear in the 19th-century charts under reference: either う and/or 𛀋 (image in case that doesn't show up: ) might be listed in the u position, in the wu position, or both, and that is before we even get started on (or for that matter)… the use of 𛀆 ( ) in the yi position and 𛀁 ( ) in the ye position is somewhat more consistent. The use of as wu and う as u stems from Junkichi Katayama's version of the hiragana gojūon (which also includes several characters now regarded as hentaigana in place of their now-standard equivalents).
- Even so, if you specifically want origins of of the characters from Katayama's version, I refer you to File:FlowRoot_alternate.png .
- To be fair, whether the regular katakana e is regarded as an e or ye (and hence, whether another character is used for an e or for a ye) is also somewhat inconsistent, but I didn't add the katakana yi/ye/wu: those were apparently added by Rockerfrick, i.e. in the original version of the original PNG, and I just left them be.
- There's also some uncertainty about whether is from 㐵, from 汙 (more likely since it's an actual man'yōgana, although both left components simplify like that elsewhere in hiragana), or a further simplification from (which is definitely from 紆). --HarJIT (talk) 11:27, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- I wasn't looking for the origin. I could simply check what is written on the Wikipedia article I linked (which I have), and it's sources (which I haven't. At least not yet), for that, and I knew that, as they make clear, the origin is unclear and disputed. I simply wanted the chart to be more complete, in containing all existing kana ...even if the wu-syllable would have to have question marks on it's origin. Well, it's up to you. (I've pretty much lost the will to argue/debate for changes on Wikimedia projects, but I figured at least making the suggestion/request was worth a shot)
- Thanks for the suggested alternate version for Katayama's kana. (I hadn't noticed the really weird o, so, and e, as I honed in on the obscure syllables) With that, I can take the wu from the alternative version, put into the regular one, and make a version of the chart (that still has a unified look. Edit: Turned out to be slightly different, but... eh, it'll do, I suppose Edit 2: Nevermind, using the original png, it worked perfectly) with the wu, on my computer (for my own personal use), even if you don't decide to included it in the one here.--77.53.239.104 20:19, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- Just one more thing, I just thought of (when checking if there was any non-cosmetic difference between the svg and the original png): In the chart, the origin kanji for ツ, is "川 or 州", which would seem to rather go against the argument about the uncertain origin, for wu, of either 汙 or 紆--213.113.126.135 15:02, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
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For your Katakana Development Chart, can you please color the Chinese etymons in green, rather than blue?
editGreen contrasts more, and is more readable, than blue against black at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FlowRoot3824.svg. Acabit (talk) 04:16, 30 September 2022 (UTC)