Trump: It’s Even Worse Than You Think With David Cay Johnston

David Cay Johnston, author of It's Even Worse Than You Think, discusses his new book on the governmentality podcast.
By Allen McDuffee
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Earlier this month, when Michael Wolff released his book Fire and Fury, a number of bombshell reports broke about how President Trump conducts his business, how staffers routinely badmouth the commander-in-chief, and the mindset that fuels his fast food diet. The risk, of course, is that focus on the gossip of the inner workings of Trump World obscures the long-term repercussions of the administration. But David Cay Johnston’s It’s Even Worse Than You Think: What The Trump Administration Is Doing To America is a different book.

On this governmentality short, we talked about Donald Trump’s disregard of the emoluments clause, the damage being done by what he calls the “political termites” of the administration and his 30 years of covering Donald Trump.

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David Cay Johnston is a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist and bestselling author of The Making of Donald Trump. He has lectured on economics, journalism, and tax policy on every continent except Antartica and is a former president of Investigative Reporters & Editors. He has been a frequent guest on television and radio shows and was a consultant on the Netflix series House of Cards.   Follow him on Twitter: @DavidCayJ

By being president of the U.S., he has demonstrated that he is the most successful con artist in the history of the world. — David Cay Johnston Click To Tweet

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The governmentality podcast was produced and edited by Michele Zipkin. The show’s music was composed and performed by Jeremy Carlstedt.

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