The Faces of New Power

Slate's Mark Joseph Stern on March For Our Lives and Jeremy Heimans on his new book, New Power.

By Allen McDuffee | April 2, 2018
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In George Orwell’s dystopian novel 1984, O’Brien, a leader in the Inner Party concludes that “Power is not a means; it is an end. One does not establish a dictatorship in order to safeguard a revolution; one makes the revolution in order to establish the dictatorship.” In the 20th century, that may have been true. But in the 21st century, we’re seeing new power rules take shape before our very eyes.

On this episode, I talk with Mark Joseph Stern of Slate about the March For Our Lives Rally. And in the book chat, I speak with Jeremy Heimans, co-author with Henry Timms of the new book, New Power: How Power Works In Our Hyperconnected World—And How To Make It Work For You.

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Mark Joseph Stern covers courts and the law at Slate. Stern received his JD from the Georgetown University Law Center. Follow him on Twitter: @mjs_DC

Jeremy Heimans is co-founder and CEO of Purpose, a home for building 21st century movements and ventures that use the power of participation to change the world. In 2011, Jeremy received the Ford Foundation’s 75th Anniversary Visionary Award for his work as a movement pioneer and the World Economic Forum named him a Young Global Leader. With Henry Timms, Jeremy is co-author of the book New Power: How Power Works in Our Hyperconnected World—and How to Make It Work for You. Follow him on Twitter: @jeremyheimans

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